Home espresso machines


#1

I was inspired to make this topic by pavel - those videos of the shots on the naked portafilter (on the portaspresso, right? Do you have the air pump one or the other one…I forget how it works) OMFG that is coffee porn right there! Anyway, I dream of upgrading to the portaspresso, decent, and plenty of others. I love the look and features of the slayer machines and the modbar setup, though they are way out of my price range. i currently use a nomad portable espresso maker, and i am very satisfied with it overall. It offers some hands on, low-tech forms of pressure and flow profiling, and whatever types of pre-soak and temperature you want. so, if you have any questions or comments on espresso machines, please chime in! Also, I’m going to start a topic…somewhere…on pulling different kinds of shots, so that we can discuss espresso makers separately from making espresso.


#2

Sure :slight_smile: Nomad is very interesting espresso machine, and I almost have bought it, but then I purchased the Portaspresso Rossa Air (yes the air pressure model … its at least for me, way better for pressure profiling … very precise controll) so no Nomad with me.
But I think you should be able to do very simillar shots … presure profiling and temperature controll are in your hands too so … its just about if you use the real basket not the true crema valve, and you should be able to make a better shot then most 10 times more expensive machines :smiley:

I would say … when you get a great grinder you should be amazed :slight_smile:


#3

From my experience … I usually say first to anyone thinking about home espresso, that it is actually a BAD idea … meaning, that if you dont work hard, spend a lot of money on equipment, it may not be worth it at all. Its easy enough to go for a very good espresso somewhere near.
But - when you are crazy enough, than its a different story :smiley:

I now recommend to anyone that just wants to spends some smaller amount of money, to get the best grinder for the money (most probably hand grinder) and Cafflano Kompreso … its very cheap and one can learn a lot with it. And with a great grinder its guite surprising what you can get out of it.

Then once you have the grinder, a device like Noman, Portaspresso Rossa, or some nice manual lever for a decent price, can really open the world of great espresso at home.

From here (I am there now) … I would go either for a Decent Espresso DE1plus … or get some very very very good lever machine. But most probably (I am heading that way allready) its DEplus … for the price …its just … hard to not to buy it :smiley:


#4

Point very well taken, sir! I’ve often had to rely on the crema valve due to my weak-ass grinder (handground, kuissential evengrind, and others but all cheap) or use the kruve which takes so long I start to wonder if I’m staling out. I think to make the cold espresso, I’ll need a better grinder, and after reading your detailed descriptions of the different qualities and flavors of these high-end hand grinders, I’m pretty much sold. I suspect you are right about needing a long shot, and for that I’ll need a finer grind, preferably a highly consistent one! Hopefully I’ll be better prepared for this in a month or so, and the experiments will be underway! Looking forward to pulling those 10 minute shots :sweat_smile:.


#5

Yesss :))) hahaaa … that will be great.
I have an idea that I will also test soon. Because you do have a Kruve sifter, you can separate the fine-ish side say up to 300microns or so … and use it for this long driping espresso shot. and use 300 to 500 for regular espresso shot. Zero waste … :smiley:


#6

I’ve been looking at a decent home espresso setup and await my Niche grinder meanwhile. Any thoughts on the Sage Dual Boiler? Looks good but would appreciate an assessment from someone with more detailed knowledge. At that price it needs to do the business.


#7

I would say, no… its a Catler brand in our country, and some older version of this was my first espresso, and … it was not good. there is I would say a wrong philosphy behind it … its still closer to DeLonghi and Krups then to a serious machine.
For lesser price you can get DE1 and have completely different level of machine … or add some more and have a DE1plus :))
Or look at some mini versions of professional gear … like Linea Mini … or some Rocket… there is a lot of possibilities. But the Catler-Sage … from my experience its now worth this price … I would pay like a 3rd at most.


#8

Thanks Pavel. I’m very impressed by the DE1 but not sure if I’d go the extra to the 1+.

I had sort of decided the Sage wasn’t for me, though the Rancilio Silvia with PID might still be the alternate.

Meanwhile I’ll stick to my DeLonghi Magnifica, as it was the machine that started my interest in decent coffee.


#9

I had a Nomad at it was not up to snuff IMHO.

The Rossa I bought later is totally in a different league.

The crema valve is sort of bullshit stuff (though it does work). It just provides extra pressure to slow the extraction. Which means that if your grounds are not fine enough it slows it down a bit and improves the extraction - but it never makes it great. The best coffee is still when you have the correct grind.

And then it is fragile I loaned it to someone and when it came back the pump was not working (and was not worth trying to repair).


#10

I have heard its best used without the true cream valve … its a crutch … but sure you can not compare it to Rossa … absolutely right about it. But I think with some practice and without the cream valve it should be possible to make good espresso … its has all thats needed for this :slight_smile: just not great espresso …its like Cafflano Kompresso … you can not expect to beat Rossa with it … but still makes good espresso.


#11

I spent about 6 months trying to get good espresso out of mine - but I was never satisfied :blush:

But I am very fussy :blush:


#12

Well well … I think its not fair to judge a simple piece of equipment made for a different audience by satisfaction level of a barista that bought DE1+ and IkawaPro … :smiley:
But i did not have it in my hands so can not say anything more about it … My feeling about it is I should easily make better espresso than those Delonghi Krups Jura and simillar home espresso stuff … though I would probably not surprise professional barista with it :smiley: (Thats also why I did not purchase it though I was contemplating it … but then I have seen Rossa and all was simple and straight :smiley: )


#13

[quote=“pavel, post:12, topic:185”]
Well well … I think its not fair to judge a simple piece of equipment made for a different audience by satisfaction level of a barista that bought DE1+ and IkawaPro … /quote]

Sorry to all if I seemed a bit over critical of the Nomad (it was not my intention). I was just trying to give a realistic opinion based on my experience. :blush:

To be fair I was expecting too much of it when I purchased it and I was a bit disappointed. I bought it through the kickstarter campaign and at that time it was probably a bit over-hyped.

My experience is that it makes better coffee than home machines like Krups, Delonghi, Jura etc. Though I suspect the Breville machines may beat it (but I have not used one)

Probably the biggest downside (for me) is that the basket is a bit small - so the shot size you can use is a bit limited (sorry I cannot remember the exact limit). A simple thing like a bigger basket would probably have made a huge difference. The portability is a big plus.

To anyone who is thinking of purchasing I would definitely recommend looking into the Rossa also - it is more expensive but worth it in my opinion.


#14

Yes …totally agree. Though its not made for traveling like Nomad is. Can you imagine puting it into travel bags for a flight these days? :slight_smile: looks sooo suspicious :smiley:


#15

I think Nomad is precisely what it is - quite cheap and simple manual tool to make espresso on the go. Its very probably not a tool for someone like you @jmuir2009 or me (or for someone else thinking about purchasing DE1 because he wants the best tools to make the best espresso possible :smiley: ) … but it think its not a bad design. Its just that once Cafflano is out for the price it has, you have way simpler and lighter travel espresso tool to choose, which is bad for Nomad.

But I still like the idea and design … (and the colors - especially the green version) … It may be also little biased for me because I also think pressured air is great way to do espresso … its very smooth and close to how lever shots behave … so I liked they used it too. At the same time I dislike using gas cartridges that you would have to buy and throw away … so manual pumping - great from my POV. :slight_smile:


#16

Scott Rao talking about pressure profiling and flow on the DE+1 makes me want to get one and try and tease out something better.


#17

Ever since getting a good espresso grinder my Nomad has been really delivering. I tend to prefer the results to the La Marzocco I use regularly at work. I think that is due to the ability to pre-infuse, flow profile and/or pressure profile by hand. It allows me to get unique tasting espresso from all kinds of origins one wouldn’t normally use for espresso. I wanted the rossa too, but couldn’t afford it at the time. I wish the basket was bigger too, and it requires pre-heating to really do it right, but other than that I’m pretty happy with it. My main annoyance is trying to dial in the grind with a single roast batch from the ikawa - which is the only time the tiny basket comes in handy!


#18

Hi, I’m just new to the forum and enjoying reading the posts in this stream - thank you.

I have just received my Ikawa Home and thought I’d weigh in on the home machine discussion for starters. I have the Portapresso and absolutely love it. I also bought one of Ross’s grinders a few years ago - also excellent. I travel a lot for work locally and internationally (I’m traveling in the usa now) and as much as I love both the Portapresso and Rosco grinder they are a little weighty and also, as pointed out earlier they raise eyebrows when going through security. As one US security person suggested, they look a little like pipebombs :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: I’ve not ever had any trouble, it’s more the hassle of having to go back through security and or, have my bag checked by security, after already going through the security conveyor belt.

Of late I have a new travel set up which is working for me as it is light and does the job after some tuning. The Nano Grinder by Timemore and the (aud$80) Nanopresso by Wacaco are light weight and very compact. At first I thought the Nannopresso was junk and actually put it back in the box to return. I was off to India for a week and at the last minute, decided to throw it and a grinder into the luggage. Glad I did as I tuned things in the wee small (jet lagged) hours in my hotel room in New Delhi. If you persevere (and preheat once or twice) the results are more than decent. I’m on the fussy side and have at home a KVW Speedster and a Strietman lever and honestly when traveling, I look forward to my morning espresso almost just as much.

Neither are as well built as Ross’s amazing machines but for their light weight convenience and speed through airport security, the Nanno combo work a treat!


#19

I think the comment from @jboutte88 sums up the Nomad perfectly — I was frustrated with the small basket too. If the basket was bigger I think it would actually give the Rossa a run for its money.

It is so frustratingly “nearly-brilliant”…


#20

A speedster — I’m officially jealous :blush: